28: Why Kids Who Struggle at School Can Thrive at Summer Camp
If the school year has your kid feeling like they’re “always behind,” camp can be the rare place where they get to be brave, messy, and successful—all before breakfast.
In this episode, I sit down with former middle school special ed teacher and current Camp Nor’Wester director Chris Gibbons to talk about why camp can be a game-changer for kids who struggle in traditional classrooms.
We explore “camp magic,” how tangible wins and low-pressure challenges build confidence, and why communal living helps kids practice leadership, communication, and conflict management in real time.
You’ll also hear practical tips for choosing the right camp fit, how ACA accreditation supports safety and staff training, and why sharing details on camp intake forms helps set kids up for success—especially when neurodiversity, anxiety, or school stress are in the mix.
Key Takeaways:
Why camp can be a “net” for kids who aren’t typical learners in traditional school environments.
How camp builds a growth mindset: not good at it yet, but able to improve through practice.
What “tangible wins” look like at camp—and how they boost confidence heading back to school.
How camp naturally supports many neurodiverse kids through movement, hands-on learning, and variety.
The hidden learning at camp: teamwork, leadership, communication, communal living, and responsibility.
Why community living teaches conflict management and perspective-taking in a way school often can’t.
How to pick a camp that fits your child (day vs. overnight, week-long vs. month-long, interest-based camps).
Why it’s helpful—not harmful—to share your child’s challenges and support strategies on camp forms.
The benefits of returning to camp year after year: community, continuity, and compounding skill-building.
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Camp Nor’Wester: https://www.norwester.org/
American Camp Association (ACA) + camp search tool: https://www.acacamps.org/
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Transcript
28: Why Kids Who Struggle at School Can Thrive at Summer Camp
Chris Gibbons: [00:00:00] school is often designed for one type of kid and one type of learner, and I think there's been a lot of steps to move away from that.
But I think camp does a great job of leaving out a net to catch those kids that are not that typical learner
that's what we're here to do, is grow and learn those skills, and develop that growth mindset a little bit that they're not good at it now, but through practice and hard work they can develop that skill and could become good at it. And I think that's a great thing that they can take back with them to school as well.
Scotti Weintraub: Welcome to Unlocking School Success, a podcast with the smart strategies and support parents need to help their kids thrive. I'm your host, Scotti Weintraub, parent coach, school navigator, and your go-to guide for turning School Stress and Chaos into clear strategies that work. Let's get started.
Hello, and welcome back to another episode of Unlocking School Success. It is a special pleasure today to welcome Chris Gibbons, who [00:01:00] is not only a former middle school special ed teacher, but also now the camp director at Camp Nor'Wester. And I am thrilled to have you, Chris, because my family have been longtime campers at Camp Nor'Wester, so it's a special personal thrill for me to talk all about a camp that we love so much
Chris Gibbons: Yeah, I'm super excited to be here and talk about the greatness of Camp Nor'Wester as a whole, but just camps in general, and the support that can give to kids.
Yeah.
Scotti Weintraub: Yes, and that's why I wanted to talk with you, 'cause I was so excited to hear that you had this special ed background. Because if anyone's been listening for a while, I talk about camp occasionally, and it is such a magical place for many reasons. But today I wanna talk specifically about how for those kids that have challenges at school, why camp is the best thing, I think, for those kids in particular.
So that's what we're gonna dig into, [00:02:00] so I'm happy to have you here. Maybe let's just start with what got you into camping? Let's go back, and why do you think camp is so important?
Chris Gibbons: My camp journey starts not at Nor'Wester, but I grew up in North Idaho started going to Camp Swaylockin' out on Lake Coeur d'Alene as a second grader, and that really started my journey.
I even today am still a very shy, quiet person, but camp has always been the place to bring out the little more energetic side of me, the little more confident side. I think it really taught me that it's a safe place to just be who you are and that you're not being judged. You're, can just be.
And so growing up, going to camp really helped bring me out of my shell, and then I started working seasonally in, I think, about 2014 and just continued to build upon that. And so new challenges of then working with kids and having that be my first kind of job experience could be a challenge, but it also just stacked onto [00:03:00] that confidence building and seeing the impact that you can make on kids through connection, through just providing that space.
And then through my time seasonally and then while working full-time teaching too, I did dual duty and really just grow so fond of the connection of building up staff and building up our campers to have such a safe place and a place where they can grow and set goals and find ways to become who they wanna be.
And so moved away from full-time teaching and moved into the full-time camp world to start that journey and be someone to help guide that journey for a lot of kids.
Scotti Weintraub: That is- Such an interesting journey because I, too, was a camper as a kid. And camp can look like a lot of different things, right?
Like the camp that you now are camp director of is a very rustic camp. The one I went to as a as a young person was on a college campus. And so while different [00:04:00] experiences, the things that you pointed out really resonate with my experience, too, in the the developing leadership and feeling like you could just explore who you were, finding those kinds of relationships with other people.
I just think no matter what the camp setting itself is-
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Scotti Weintraub: There's just something different about being in the camp mindset. Absolutely. So I know y- you guys talk about camp magic. So what exactly do you see as camp magic?
Chris Gibbons: Yeah. I think it's interesting for me to come into a new camp last year, into Nor'Wester, where we have month-long sessions, which was a new experience to me, but it really lets us hone in on that camp magic a little bit.
Really, we're on an island, but even outside of that, just being fully just disconnected from the outside world, giving up technology, giving up the stresses and everything else of their outside lives and just getting to live with kind of kids the same age as well as [00:05:00] our counselors and other staff that can serve as mentors for them.
Just to be able to dis- disengage a little bit from all of that and have a place, again, to just feel like you can be yourself, explore new interests, find ways to push and challenge yourself. But I think our staff do a really good job of creating that camp magic really around a sense of community, building those connections.
I think not as many kids get to ex- get to experience the living with 15 other kids of the same age for a month at a time, where when they go to school they get to just say goodbye at the end of the day and go back to their own safe space. And we really create that environment that pushes them outside of that comfort zone a little bit but then get to experience just so many adults.
We have a staff of over 100, and they're all just so focused and dedicated on giving them the most memorable and just wonderful experience that they may not get that same attention when they're outside of camp.
Scotti Weintraub: I think it does just create such [00:06:00] a unique atmosphere where kids get to try things. Can you think of an example, you don't have to obviously use names, but of a kid that you worked with at a camp in the past who you could really see that sort of transformation happen
Chris Gibbons: Oh, there's so many that I could pick from
I think. Of all the years of working at camp, I think I could pick so many. I think one that comes to mind is coming from my old camp, but I saw it at Nor'wester too the ropes course is one that can be a big challenge for a lot of people where they've not had the experience of climbing a ladder, getting off the ground getting in an environment where they are truly maybe not fully in control or just super nervous to be up there.
And so I think of one situation where I had a camper that didn't even wanna try, that they were like, "Nope, I don't like this. It's ki- it's not for me." And I got to work with them and do little bite-sized goals and "Okay, what if we this time do two steps up the ladder?" Try it, build it up, build that [00:07:00] confidence.
And once they tried that one, we took a little break and worked and sa- I was like, "Okay, what is a good goal for you next?" And so worked to just build up till eventually we got them to the top of the ladder, 'cause they're like, "Okay, I can do one step. I can do two more steps."
And they went up and ... They didn't do the full course, but they got up into the harness, and got up on the course, did one element, and said, "I think that is where I've pushed my limit," and came back down. But really to see from where they started of, "I'm not doing it at all," to be able to get up there experience part of it and come back down, I think just when they came back down they were just so proud of themselves.
You could just see it in their face. Even if they didn't go as far as some other people did in their group, they were able to see how just trying little bits at a time they could push themselves a little bit more. And I think for the rest of the week that I worked with that kid, I could just feel a better sense of confidence, and they were more willing to engage in things that they hadn't tried before.
I think this was [00:08:00] their first time ever out at a camp, and so then trying archery later in the week was a little intimidating for them. But since they had already had that experience to climb up the ropes and have something that was scary and over and done with, they just were so much more willing to engage, and try, and know that they were in an environment where they not necessarily were gonna fail, but didn't have to be perfect and had the support to be able to do that.
Scotti Weintraub: What, a great lesson that could be applied, in so many other places. And as a parent, I think our goal is to try to get our kids to build those kinds of skills, right? And that's one of the reasons I love camp, because I feel like it's such a unique way where those things come naturally as part of the everyday life of camp activities, and it's really fun.
Chris Gibbons: Absolutely. I think, as I think back to the kids that I worked with as a special ed teacher that they run into so many challenges just in school, of so many pressures of things that are getting put onto them, and that [00:09:00] they have to get an A on these assignments, and if they're not doing it, they're not meeting the right standards.
I think camp gives them kind of an area of tangible wins almost, that they're not focused on grades or passing, that they get to have a, have those tangible wins of trying archery for the first time and maybe hitting the target or getting up on the ropes course. It gives them something tangible to kinda hold onto and kinda be able to look back on that as a success that they had for the summer to hopefully give them the confidence as they get back into school.
Scotti Weintraub: I wanna dig into this part- ... because this is the really good stuff, I think, especially for my podcast in particular, but is that those kids who struggle in school, whether they're in special ed or not in special ed, often get so much negative feedback, right? And I have always, as with my own kids, seen camp as a place where they could, I like to call it the vacation from failure.
That they could find places that they could be successful, [00:10:00] even if it's not the ropes course. Maybe it's in the craft room or maybe it's, doing a skit. Whatever that looks like, but to find those places outside of that sort of who they are at school piece- ... I just think is so impactful.
Chris Gibbons: Yeah. Absolutely, and I think, yeah, they get to, especially if they're coming to camp for the first time, I think a lot of people aren't always going to camp with the same kids that they go to school with, too, and so they have that freedom a little bit to be able to be like, "Hey, this is who I want to be.
This is what I want this to look like." They can tailor their situation a little bit and almost reinvent themselves.
Scotti Weintraub: Yeah, I like that. And not in a, maybe it's not so much reinvention- Maybe it's also who they really are
Chris Gibbons: Yeah. Exactly. I think it's a-
Scotti Weintraub: And they're just trying things out. I don't know.
Chris Gibbons: Yeah. I don't know, yeah.
Scotti Weintraub: It, but
Chris Gibbons: it's- Yeah maybe not reinvention, but kind of- I
Scotti Weintraub: don't know. Maybe a reinvention- Yeah ... but I think it's just interesting to think about, if m- especially for those kids who for whom school is [00:11:00] hard, to be able to reinvent themselves outside of what they've, the school system that they've been in.
Maybe it's more of a coming into who they are because they're able to shine in ways that they maybe are much harder for them in a school setting.
Chris Gibbons: Yeah, absolutely. I think it kind of redefines what success looks like a little bit- ... for them, too.
Scotti Weintraub: Yeah.
Chris Gibbons: And I think school is often designed for one type of kid and one type of learner, and I think there's been a lot of steps to move away from that.
But I think camp does a great job of leaving out a net to catch those kids that are not that typical learner, that I think a lot of what success looks like is just valuing the effort and curiosity they have in a lot of the things that they do at camp, and just praising them for trying and doing something new, and that it's okay not to be great at something immediately.
That's what we're here to do, is grow and learn those skills, and develop that growth mindset a little bit that they're not good at it now, but through practice and hard work they can [00:12:00] develop that skill and could become good at it. And I think that's a great thing that they can take back with them to school as well.
Scotti Weintraub: Yeah, and there are just some pieces that happen innately with camp that are useful for kids for whom, as you said, like the standard box that school is, right? Where kids generally have to, sit and pay attention in very specific ways. The schedule is very specific. But camp innately has these opportunities like movement that you don't get in an everyday school experience.
Maybe you have recess or, for younger kids, or, a PE class. But, moving your body is and for some neurodiverse kids in particular, that is so important. So there are just some of these pieces, I think, that are baked into the, any kind of camp experience that just are automatically helpful.
Chris Gibbons: Absolutely. I think you hit it right on the [00:13:00] head. It's just, yeah, they're not ... They don't have to sit as still. They have the freedom to move, to stand, to sit, look through different activities, and that I think it creates environments where they're constantly learning even if they don't necessarily think they are, that they're just there- having fun. But they're learning the teamwork skills. They're learning how to step up and be a leader how to communicate with each other, and especially with us, that they're there for a month at a time. They're looking and learning at what communal living looks like and what it means to be responsible and respectful of other people.
And so they don't necessarily take in all the time that they're learning all of these things, but get to be exposed to different learning styles and just different ways of absorbing information.
Scotti Weintraub: I think that Nor'wester does such a great job of developing that community piece that you're talking about.
Because that is where so much learning happens without it being learning with capital L. That you're not just [00:14:00] social skills, but you're working on collaboration and acknowledging, the diversity of opinions and ways of learning among your peers and realizing, oh, that piece might be more challenging for them- And how can we support them in doing that in a collaborative way?
So I just think that, that community piece is just so essential, too.
Chris Gibbons: Yeah, and I think it, I think thinking back to my classroom time, that conflict management- ... piece that I think Nor'wester really teaches so well and that community living was really missing in the school setting. They didn't know how to necessarily navigate that conflict together and what it means to cooperate together and come to a realization and a, an understanding together, where I feel like in school it was often, "You're wrong, I'm right."
But that community piece has really been able to give them the ability to look at other perspectives and compromise a little bit, and I think that's a skill that I think could be ben- beneficial in so many different [00:15:00] aspects of their life, but especially in school, too, where they're just stuck in a room all day, and sometimes they're not always gonna get along with people.
But to be able to navigate that, that conflict a little bit more, I think is another great skill that camp brings.
Scotti Weintraub: Yes, 'cause it never really goes away. The need- No ... to work with different diverse groups of people is something that we need to develop for, our whole lifetime. So if a parent is listening and they think "Oh, maybe my kid would really benefit from camp," what are some things that you encourage parents to think about in terms of identifying what kind of camp experience might be a good fit for their individual kid?
Chris Gibbons: I think it really is, there's so many options for camps. You've got, like you mentioned, you went to camp on a college campus. We have us that have kids for a month at a time, but there's week-long camps, there's day camps. I think really working and talking with kind of your kid, your soon-to-be camper and seeing what [00:16:00] are their interests, what are they comfortable with and, but what is still gonna maybe push them to grow a little bit in.
I think including the camper in that conversation is super important and understanding what are they wanting to get out of camp and really trying to find a camp that matches those needs. And so if they're n- not super comfortable maybe staying overnight somewhere, testing it out at a day camp and building it in a progression that way, then may- maybe finding a week-long camp for them.
There's so many avenues to go to. If they're really into art or science, there's so many camps out there for that too. I think we've always, just like historically, when you, people define camp, they always picture that traditional overnight camp setting, but there's so many different styles of camps that are out there.
A lot of camps that are in museums and educational institutions that can really meet a wide range of interests and learning styles. And so yeah, again, I think really talking with your camper, understanding what are their interests and what are they hoping to get out of for it, out from it and can go [00:17:00] from there to find a camp that's really gonna match what they want.
Scotti Weintraub: I think you're right that there are so many options and sometimes that might feel a little overwhelming. I always encourage people to talk to other parents, 'cause, your parent peers are often good sources of information about good experiences that they've had or things that they're aware of.
There's an accrediting agency for camps, so maybe speak a little bit about what that means and how that might be a helpful tool.
Chris Gibbons: So I think a great place for people to start is going to the American Camp Association. And so their website is acacamps.org. And there's so much information on there too, which can be a little overwhelming at first, but they can start looking for camps.
They can read through what accredited camps have to go through. We're an ACA-accredited camp. Both our executive director, Megan, and myself are accreditation visitors, and so the whole program is going to, is all volunteer based, and so it's other [00:18:00] kind of camp professionals visiting and going through about almost 300 standards of what camps need to meet in order to maintain that accreditation, really focused on safety and staff training and program development.
And so I think that's a great place to start is the American Camp Association. And so you know that if you're going to a camp that's accredited you know that they're meeting all these standards. There are things that they're looking at and really thinking through, whether it's emergency procedures or what are the policies of training staff in certain ways.
But that website, too, will have a place where you can search for camps in your area or if you're looking for specific ways to connect that way. There's so many resources and educational libraries. I think they have a whole tablet on just for parents, and so they can go and start to navigate that website, and at least gives them somewhere to start picking through instead of just- Yeah
typing in summer camps online.
Scotti Weintraub: And I have used it to help other friends find camps, and I like that you can search by geography, by length of [00:19:00] camp time, by area of interest. So th- there's lots of searchability there. I appreciate it. And I'm glad you mentioned things like safety and emergency planning, 'cause, those things help us feel more confident in sending our child away to a place that maybe we have never been before-
Which can be a little nerve-wracking. But I wanna encourage people listening to really think about, as you said talking to your kid about what is of interest to them, and also thinking about what do you want your child to learn? What's important? Where are they at developmentally? And what could they individually gain from that experience?
'Cause I think going into it with a little bit of an eye towards what you want the experience to be can be helpful. Not that you can predict it, of course, but-
Chris Gibbons: Yeah ...
Scotti Weintraub: it it can be helpful, I think, too, to give the camp staff feedback. I know that in our camp intake forms we often, have to [00:20:00] talk about what are our goals for our child, what are their goals for the summer, and all of those things.
Talk a little bit about how useful those things are in helping shape the overall experience.
Chris Gibbons: Yeah, I think that's been a lot of what we're doing right now, is we're preparing to get to camp, is reading through those intake forms. And as much information as we can get about campers coming in, whether they're returning or new, really helps us tailor the experience to them.
And so we've got a layer of a support team that reads through those documents. And if there's certain things that parents are bringing up that, bringing "My kid struggles in XYZ," we can start to make a plan for that and think about what that might look like at camp. We can have conversations ahead of time to be able to set that camper up for success.
And so I think one that comes to mind, I think they're, it'll be their first time away from home for an extended period of time, and so we know to look out for homesickness a little more, and can chat with the family about how that typically shows up, and how to best support them, and what routines look like at home.
And so [00:21:00] we read through all of those forms and really try to take in as much information as we can, and really build that relationship with the parents, knowing that we're a team here to help support their camper. And that, yeah, again, the most information that we get from those forms really goes a long way.
I know sometimes parents can be, like, apprehensive about filling out forms 'cause they- they think it might disqualify their kids- ... from going to camp, or label them as a behavior problem or whatever it might be. But I think it really, those forms are meant to be a tool to best support the camper and make sure that they're getting what they need while they're at camp and away from what might be a safe place for them.
Scotti Weintraub: So I'm- I'm thinking, as a parent, if my child had, for instance, ADHD I might ... It might be useful for me to mention in those ways some strategies that have worked for them in the past or, what we know about how they've done ... Although it's not a school setting, of course.
Yeah. But what do you know about [00:22:00] th- what has worked for them in other places? Is that information really valuable to you?
Chris Gibbons: Absolutely. I think even if it is what's worked in a school setting, it's some, gives us a base level to be able to kinda have an initial success plan if it seems like a camper is struggling at first with some of those things that maybe relate to the school environment.
Even though it's completely different in a lot of ways, I think there is a lot of similarity. And giving a starting place just in that way so we know that, okay, this is, has worked. What might that look like tran- like translating it- ... to a camp environment? I think we're used to looking at o- something one way and being like, "Okay, that's how that works in this more traditional environment.
How could we tailor that to fit what's happening at camp?"
Scotti Weintraub: I hope hearing that, eases a little bit of f- people's apprehension about, how ... This is my kid who maybe has a hard time in school, how might this camp experience end up being for them? I know that for [00:23:00] me, one of the things I loved about my kid's experience at camp was that I often felt at the end of the summer that it, he walked a little taller when he got home from camp.
Almost literally seemed more confident. And I felt like that was just the perfect way for us to move into a new school year, was by having a really positive experience, I think just lends itself to a smoother start to what may be a challenging school year.
Chris Gibbons: Yeah, absolutely. I think it's like that fresh start, that reset almost, where if they've had challenges that year before, they get to come back to a place where they're super comfortable and, again, are able to shed the stress of the school year and just again have that fresh start where they can just be themselves and clear their mind, have a fresh slate so that they get their great experience, they learn to go through different challenges, and maybe start to [00:24:00] build some tools for themselves that they can take back with them that next school year.
And so that they're coming into that next school year, it's a, they know they just had a great summer at camp, they brought all these tools, these new friends, these resources, that they can maybe tackle the new year and the challenges that's gonna come with maybe a little more confidently.
Scotti Weintraub: Yes.
Yes, and I just wanna ... We're running short on time, of course. But I wanna end with this question about what is the benefit of multi-year campers? 'Cause I know what it's been for our family, but what do you see as that benefit for these kids of coming back more than once?
Chris Gibbons: I think it just gives them a community to come back into, something for them to, one, look forward to the rest of the year but also an area that they- Can just continue to build upon that they might
In the kind of our communal living that might not be something that comes up with them the rest of the year, and that [00:25:00] this is their time to be able to continue their work from last summer, picking up where re- relationships left off. I think it's always so fun to see the groups come back together.
I think especially with the way our program is set up, that they're really with a lot of the same kids year after year, which doesn't happen a lot in other camp programs that they get to come back and have just a safe space, like a s- their own little safety net almost, and be able to kinda just jump right in.
So when they are coming year after year, they've kinda gotten over the hump of the apprehension, and there's always gonna be a little bit of nerves that come with coming back right at the beginning. But once they've built that initial connection and are able to connect with campers year after year, it just gives them a solid base to start with and just grow their con- their network, their community and know that they have such a strong group ready to rally your, rally around them and support them even throughout the year.
I know we hear a lot about a lot of our kids have group chats the rest of the year and are able to chat with each other and share kind of their ups [00:26:00] and downs. And so it's a place where they spend just a month together, but then it extends the rest of the year. And so I think that year after year returning really just continues to build upon that.
Scotti Weintraub: Yeah. I think the friendships and th- that community piece has been so critical for my kids. And what I've also noticed is that there's a year-by-year skill development too, that maybe when they're younger that, those first years, maybe things like the ropes course is particularly challenging. And as they grow physically, they get to come back and try it again.
And see that sort of compounding success go back to, an activity that maybe was hard last year, but maybe this year it's a little bit easier.
Chris Gibbons: And I think it shows up a lot in we kinda have a graduated philosophy where they, we when you look at our trips and our overnight program where we add a new challenge each year too, and so they- feel super comfortable the first year. They're doing an overnight camping out just somewhere on our island. But year after year, we just continue to expand that, whether [00:27:00] it's two days or they're going off to another island until they ultimately reach a five-day, four-night trip where they're out exploring and leaving camp.
And so one example of that i- of that graduated philosophy, but that they're just continuing to build those skills year after year, and that it's again, just adding to what they've already done.
Scotti Weintraub: And I am thrilled that my youngest is now officially gonna be i- his last year at camp, which I'm thrilled about and also sad about, I'll have to be honest.
But it's been such a great experience for our family, and I hope that parents listening will consider how camp might be a part of their own families, and how they might be able to build some of these skills, and in ways outside of school.
And I wanna thank you, Chris, for being here.
Can you just tell us a little bit about where folks can... If they're interested in Camp Nor'Wester, tell us just a little bit about it, and where we can find you online.
Chris Gibbons: Yeah. So just the quick little [00:28:00] Nor'Wester spiel, and so we're a overnight camp. Again, like we mentioned throughout this, we do month-long sessions.
We have kids age 9 through 16 so we've got quite a range of kids to be able to find their place at camp. You can check out our website at norwester.org. You can read a lot about our programs and trips and all the little things that make the camp magic happen out at Nor'Wester. We do still have some spaces left for the summer, so if you're s-
if you're interested-
Scotti Weintraub: Yes ...
Chris Gibbons: check it out. It's a lot. It's very specific ages, but there is still some openings for the summer out there.
Scotti Weintraub: Yes, and I... What you didn't mention is where you're located, which is one of- Oh, yes ... the most beautiful places ever. They're in the, s- San Juan Islands in Washington State, and it is truly spectacular.
Chris Gibbons: It doesn't get much better than that to spend the summer.
Scotti Weintraub: No, it doesn't, and maybe you get to see some whales again this summer. Oh, fingers crossed. So that would be... Yeah, fingers crossed. Thanks for joining me, Chris. I think this has been a really interesting conversation, and thank you so much for all the hard work you do, [00:29:00] and all of your staff does to help support those kids.
Chris Gibbons: Yeah, thank you so much for having me. It's been great to chat with you.
Scotti Weintraub: And before we wrap up, I almost forgot, if you have a resource that you'd like to share with families a book, a website, a podcast, something that inspires you in your work as a camp director.
Chris Gibbons: And I feel like this is one that's probably mentioned before, but one that I always go back to and that is often talked about at camp conferences is just The Anxious Generation by Jonathan Haidt.
I think it's a lot of talking about the rise of smartphones and social media and the impact that has, and so I think it always relates to camp since they're disconnected, and you can see the benefits that camp would have from that.
Scotti Weintraub: Great. Excellent recommendation. I'll be sure and put the links to Nor'Wester and the ACA, which we mentioned earlier, and to The Anxious Generation book in the show notes.
But thank you so much for being here. It really has been fun.
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